This is only a rough draft - Megan 04/15/92 Here are the revised minutes. Note the action list. Steve OSI-DS Meetings: 7th meeting of the IETF Directory Services Group March 12th 1992, Dan Diego Minutes by Justin C. Walker, justin@apple.com, and Steve Hardcastle-Kille Attendees: Chair: Steve Hardcastle-Kille "Claudio Allocchio" "Harald Alvestrand" "John Ballard" "Paul Barker" "William Biagi" "Jodi-Ann Chu" "Alan Clegg" "Richard Colella" "James Conklin" "Urs Eppenberger" "Stefan Fassbender" "Mark Fox" "James Galvin" "Jisoo Geiter" "Tony Genovese" "Sang-Chul Han" "Alf Hansen" "Steve Hardcastle-Kille" "Alton Hoover" "Tim Howes" "Erik Huizer" "Ole Jacobsen" "Barbara Jennings" "Darren Kinley" "Mark Knopper" "Eva Kuiper" "Sylvain Langlois" "Kenneth Lindahl" "Triet Lu" "Scott Marcus" "Daniel Matzke" "David Miller" "Daniel Molinelli" "Robert Morgan" "William Nichols" "Tracy Parker" "Emmanuel Pasetes" "Rakesh Patel" "Geir Pedersen" "David Piscitello" "Jon Postel" "Marshall Rose" "Ursula Sinkewicz" "Mark Sleeper" "Mark Smith" "Einar Stefferud" "Tom Tignor" "Justin Walker" "Chris Weider" "Brien Wheeler" "Cathy Wittbrodt" "Russ Wright" "Peter Yee" "Wengyik Yeong" "Ki-Sung Yoo" Agenda - A paper copy was distributed that updated the previously transmitted electronic version. A copy is appended. No comments on the Minutes of the San Jose meeting; they were accepted as written. They are available as OSI-DS-MINUTES-6 on your neighborhood OSI-DS document archive server. Matters arising - Steve to prompt George Brett to circulate documents. It was not known if this had been done. Action dropped. Richard Collela was to send a current list of the OIW documents to the osi- ds mailing list. The question was asked whether this was done, and no one knew for sure. Subsequent to the meeting, Rich did distribute the OIW document list. It is appended here. Other items of business were to be discussed as specific points on the agenda. Liaison Reports: RARE WG3: Erik Huizer reported that the a number of documents were discussed. The "character set" issue was also discussed. On a sad note, the January meeting was for WG3, due to restructuring within RARE. In the future, it will be more like IETF (from may onwards). There will be a followon to WG3, but the form has not yet emerged. ISO/CCITT - No liaison was present. Availability of the Directory root over CONS has been requested by JANET. This will cause reachability problems for CLNS use. The issues haven't been fully addressed yet. OIW: Russ Wright reported that agreements on replication have gone stable (1992); 1988 documents on replication are stable. Trying to distinguish between 88, 92 items. The X.400 and X.500 SIGs met. The X.400 folks complained about lack of attribute types for routing. EWOS sent a statement about adding transport requirement (NSAPs don't specify transports). Major work on international standard profiles (dealing with DAP) is underway; this should be out by December. NADF: Einar Stefferud reported that the pilot proposed for 2/92 is "underway", with all NADF members participating. Due to agreements between NADF members, a "utopian" view of the pilot will be presented to the world outside the NADF in that no details will be discussed as to which pilot member is doing what. There are interworking issues between this pilot and the White Pages pilot, due to different naming schemes and the listing vs. registration models. Discussions have been held at NADF to determine that two pilots could *not* be connected. According to Stef, there is no common naming of schema. The major problem is operational (naming of DSAs, etc.). PSI can not act as broker (there are knowledge and data sharing problems). Desire is there, so it seems that meetings are needed to discuss this. The NADF pilot work needs to stabilize before these can reasonably proceed. The NADF wants to push knowledge sharing (open DIT; global system). The White Pages pilot was being run as a registration tree, so that the WPP had to be the national registration authority for c=US by virtue of holding the c=US MASTER. While none of the principals ever claimed to be the US registration authority per se, we just ended up doing that as a consequence of the registration model. It was pointed out that these assumptions were necessary for early deployment. NADF is waiting for the 1992 changes to the directory (X.500) to be published to determine what membership will do about compliance. The NADF has issues of competitiveness, tariffs, etc., guiding its pilot development. These are real world assumptions. The WP assumptions were simplifying. NADF documents are available, modulo media issues. DISI: Chris Weider reported that three new RFCs are out: 1292, 1308, 1309 (a "real executive summary"). They now have a clean slate, so if new documents are needed, speak up. AARN: Steve Hardcastle-Kille read the following report: *************************************************************** Report to the IETF OSI-DS WG from the AARNet Directory Project 1. Australian Networkshop in last December We conducted a demonstration of the Directory at the recent Networkshop which attracted considerable interest, and as resulted in 3 more AARNet members joining the pilot. The demonstration was spoiled somewhat by the failure of our frame grabber and where we had hoped to use colour images, JPEG encoded, we had to make do with greyscale imagines (still using JPEG). The DIT used for the Networkshop is still available, as "c=AU@o=Australian Networkshop", having been migrated from the loan machine we had at the Networkshop to one of our project machines. 2. Future of the AARNet Directory Project Officially the project has concluded, except for the submission to AARNet of our report, but we expect that the Project will continue, hopefully with additional funds from AARNet. We will continue to champion the Directory as an information resource and encourage AARNet members to run their own directories. We also intend to use of our machines to provide a service where AARNet members can experiment with the Directory without having to run their own, as well as providing a registration point for any organisation connected to AARNet so that basic information about their organisation can be made available through the Directory. 3. Binary distribution of DUAs and DSAs The AARNet Directory Project have made available a number of binary kits (SPARC, RISC/Ultrix, Sun3 and Pyramid) of the Quipu distribution for anonymous ftp on ftp.adelaide.edu.au in the pub/white_pages/KITS directory. The main purpose of this is to allow other sites to easily access the the pilot, either by making access to the Directory available at their site or allow them to easily configure a DSA of their own. The kit has been tailored for sites wishing to join the pilot in Australia but the binaries could be used anywhere. 4. Current state of the Directory in Australia There are currently 25 DSAs in Australia, and they master 45,975 entries. After checking the sites that have fetched a copy of one of our binary kits I would hope that there will be 3 more sites in Australia starting to run their own DSA shortly. *************************************************************** The following are the status reports of operational pilots: FOX: Tom Tignor reported that FOX is waiting on NSF funding; final reports have been submitted, and nothing is happening now. Individual efforts: SRI - x5whois - whois information in a DSA. Conversion problems overcome, but DSA loading is taking a long time (they have added more memory, reduced the number of attributes held). There are 150000 entries now. Interoperability testing (between QUIPU and CUSTO) is underway. PSI - Three commands are being developed at PSI. x5ftp is under development. x5rfc is done, development-wise, but is awaiting on x5ftp for release of both to assure no changes to x5rfc due to a problem discovered in x5ftp. usconfig is done and released. It should be in future ISODE releases (it's basically the core of the wpp-addon stuff right now). MERI