Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 10:42:21 PDT Sender: minutes-request@ietf.CNRI.Reston.Va.US From: Vince Fuller To: minutes@CNRI.Reston.Va.US Cc: "Gehrett W. Ellis" , cidrd@iepg.org Phone: (415) 528-7227 USMail: 3801 East Bayshore Rd, Palo Alto, CA, 94303 Subject: Minutes of CIDRD WG at Montreal IETF Thanks go to John Curran for preparing these minutes. Note that while the CIDRD WG has officially concluded, the mailing list will remain active until the final version of the Classless IN-ADDR document has been reviewed and submitted for publication. --Vince -------------------- CIDRD WG Minutes - Final Meeting (6/25/96) Tony Li & Vince Fuller, Co-Chairs Note: As the work of this group is now finished, this working group will conclude per agreement of the WG chairs and the OPS Area Directors. o Agenda Bashing o Document Status Classless IN-ADDR (draft-ietf-cidrd-classless-inaddr-01.txt) Document with minor edits underwent last call process and is awaiting publication as RFC (with BCP status). Address Ownership (draft-ietf-cidrd-addr-ownership-07.txt) Scott Bradner indicated that this was passed by the IESG for a publication as a Best Current Practices RFC. Registry Guidelines (draft-hubbard-registry-guidelines-02.txt) Scott Bradner indicated IESG has placed consideration of this draft on hold till the next IETF, and encouraged the WG to email their views on this document to the IESG. o Statistics Vince Fuller presented a graph of routing prefixes in the Internet (provided by Erik-Jan Bos of SURFnet) and the growth in the routing table appears linear. Several sharp downward spikes in the routing table appeared to correspond to IETF meetings. Frank Solensky presented a graph of class B and C address space address assignment, and the extrapolated allocation curves have appeared to flattened out significantly. It was suggested that this was the result of stricter adherance to to standard address allocation policies by registries. In a followup note, Frank states that there's a risk that the curves could ramp upwards again in the future as the ISPs run out of the addresses they've been allocated; if and when that occurs is difficult to predict. o Other Topics Eventual depletion of AS numbers was raised as an issue; the BGP4 protocol allows 2^16 worth of AS numbers. It was suggested that IDRP was the appropriate long-term solution, as it allows much longer autonomous system numbers. Bill Manning presented a short review of some of the CIDRD working group activities, and noted that many were "policy" docs. Bill asked: "Should the IETF do policy documents?" Scott Bradner led a discussion of whether we need some group in the IETF which addresses such issues on an ongoing basis. Discussion continued to fill the available time slot, touching on topics such as the IESG's ability to set policies, other network provider forums which work on policy issues, and the possibility of creating an ongoing working group or maintaining an open meeting to handle operational policy issues. Some folks felt that it was important to have an active forum for customers, operators, and developers in one place in order to continue the interaction which has occured in CIDR. A show of hands reflected an overall weak interest in moving forward with this proposal at the current time.