INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) Minutes of the September 16, 2004 IESG Teleconference Reported by: Amy Vezza, IETF Secretariat ATTENDEES ------------------ Harald Alvestrand / Cisco Rob Austein / ISC (IAB Liaison) Steve Conte / ICANN (IANA) Michelle Cotton / ICANN (IANA) Leslie Daigle / Verisign (IAB) Aaron Falk / ISI (RFC Editor) Bill Fenner / AT&T Barbara Fuller / IETF Secretariat Scott Hollenbeck / VeriSign Russ Housley / Vigil Security, LLC David Kessens / Nokia Allison Mankin / Bell Labs, Lucent Thomas Narten / IBM Jon Peterson / NeuStar, Inc. Joyce K. Reynolds / ISI (RFC Editor) Dinara Suleymanova / IETF Secretariat Amy Vezza / IETF Secretariat Margaret Wasserman / ThingMagic Bert Wijnen / Lucent Alex Zinin / Alcatel REGRETS ------------ Steve Bellovin / AT&T Ted Hardie / Qualcomm, Inc. MINUTES --------------- 1. Administrivia 1.1 Approval of the Minutes The minutes of the September 2, 2004 Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. 1.2 Documents Approved Since the September 2, 2004 IESG Teleconference 1.2.1 Protocol Actions o draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-id-07.txt (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-ops-rfc3291bis-06.txt (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-geopriv-pidf-lo-03.txt (Proposed Standard) 1.2.2 Document Actions NONE 1.3 Review of Action Items DONE: o David Kessens, Steve Bellovin, and Alex Zinin to discuss a charter for a new Operations and Management Area working group for OPSEC. o The Secretariat to add Aaron Falk to the iesg@ietf.org mailing list and to teleconference participation materials. o Bert Wijnen to collect IESG and IANA feedback on openBSD/carp IANA assignments and send the collective feedback to the IAB. o Ted Hardie, Bill Fenner, and Thomas Narten will draft a policy on "placeholder" I-Ds in reference to I-D submissions prior to IETF meetings, and will draft words for reminders the Secretariat sends. DELETED: NONE IN PROGRESS: o Bill Fenner to determine with WG chairs whether a liaison with OIF is desirable, and will inform the IAB of the decision. o Applications ADs to evaluate the situation with regards to MIME type review, and see how we can ensure the review turnaround times specified in the MIME registration procedures. o Allison Mankin and Thomas Narten to compose a message for the IESG and IAB related to 3GPP's Release 6 publication deadline and expedited documents. o Harald Alvestrand to clarify what actions are needed to enforce the new boilerplate. August 19, 2004 is the proposed deadline for accepting I-Ds with old boilerplates. All I-Ds submitted after this date require the use of the new boilerplate. o Allison Mankin will encourage Dave Meyer to go forward with his I-D on IETF minutes, and will suggest some IESG points for it. o Margaret Wasserman to take the lead in drafting a description of the positions to be filled by the NomCom. Allison Mankin, Thomas Narten, and Alex Zinin will do an initial review; the document should be ready to be reviewed by the IESG before the next teleconference (09/02/2004). NEW: o Ted Hardie, Thomas Narten, and Bill Fenner will send the statement on "placeholder I-Ds" to the WG Chairs list for a quick review and then the IESG will send it out to the IETF community as an "IESG Statement." o Harald Alvestrand to suggest modified text for the standard "no problem" message to the RFC Editor that includes a pointer to the comments in the I-D Tracker. 1.4 Review of Projects 2. Protocol Actions 2.1 WG Submissions 2.1.1 New Item o draft-ietf-ipv6-router-selection-05.txt - 1 of 6 Default Router Preferences and More-Specific Routes (Proposed Standard) Token: Margaret Wasserman The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Steve Bellovin, Bill Fenner, Bert Wijnen, and Alex Zinin.* o draft-ietf-grow-collection-communities-04.txt - 2 of 6 BGP Communities for Data Collection (BCP) Token: David Kessens The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Harald Alvestrand, Bill Fenner, and Alex Zinin.* o draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-egress-control-03.txt - 3 of 6 GMPLS Signaling Procedure For Egress Control (Proposed Standard) Token: Alex Zinin The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be prepared by Alex Zinin. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note. o draft-ietf-grow-embed-addr-03.txt - 4 of 6 Embedding Globally Routable Internet Addresses Considered Harmful (BCP) Token: David Kessens The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Ted Hardie, Russ Housley, Thomas Narten, and Margaret Wasserman.* o draft-ietf-avt-rtp-dsr-codecs-03.txt - 5 of 6 RTP Payload Formats for European Telecommunications Standardsv Institute (ETSI) European Standard ES 202 050, ES 202 211, and ES 202 212 Distributed Speech Recognition Encoding (Proposed Standard) Token: Allison Mankin The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be prepared by Allison Mankin. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note. o draft-ietf-ipr-subm-rights-fix-00.txt - 6 of 6 IETF Rights in Contributions (BCP) Token: Harald Alvestrand The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Harald Alvestrand.* 2.1.2 Returning Item o draft-ietf-dhc-agentopt-radius-08.txt - 1 of 7 RADIUS Attributes Sub-option for the DHCP Relay Agent Information Option (Proposed Standard) Token: Margaret Wasserman The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Ted Hardie.* o draft-ietf-sigtran-m2pa-12.txt - 2 of 7 Signaling System 7 (SS7) Message Transfer Part 2 (MTP2) - User Peer-to-Peer Adaptation Layer (M2PA) (Proposed Standard) Token: Jon Peterson The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Steve Bellovin.* o Four-document ballot: - 3 of 7 - draft-ietf-tewg-diff-te-mam-03.txt Maximum Allocation Bandwidth Constraints Model for Diff-Serv-aware MPLS Traffic Engineering (Experimental) - draft-ietf-tewg-diff-te-mar-04.txt Max Allocation with Reservation Bandwidth Constraint Model for MPLS/DiffServ TE & Performance Comparisons (Experimental) - draft-ietf-tewg-diff-te-proto-07.txt Protocol extensions for support of Differentiated-Service-aware MPLS Traffic Engineering (Proposed Standard) - draft-ietf-tewg-diff-te-russian-06.txt Russian Dolls Bandwidth Constraints Model for Diff-Serv-aware MPLS Traffic Engineering (Experimental) Token: Bert Wijnen The documents remain under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Scott Hollenbeck, Allison Mankin, Thomas Narten, and Alex Zinin.* o draft-ietf-ipsec-ikev2-15.txt - 4 of 7 Internet Key Exchange (IKEv2) Protocol (Proposed Standard) Token: Russ Housley The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be prepared by Russ Housley. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note. o draft-ietf-dhc-auth-suboption-05.txt - 5 of 7 The Authentication Suboption for the DHCP Relay Agent Option (Proposed Standard) Token: Margaret Wasserman The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement. o draft-ietf-opes-ocp-core-05.txt - 6 of 7 OPES Callout Protocol Core (Proposed Standard) Token: Ted Hardie The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be prepared by Ted Hardie. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note. o draft-ietf-v6ops-mech-v2-06.txt - 7 of 7 Basic Transition Mechanisms for IPv6 Hosts and Routers (Proposed Standard) Token: David Kessens The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Steve Bellovin.* 2.2 Individual Submissions 2.2.1 New Item NONE 2.2.2 Returning Item NONE 3. Document Actions 3.1 WG Submissions 3.1.1 New Item o draft-ietf-mipshop-fast-mipv6-02.txt - 1 of 5 Fast Handovers for Mobile IPv6 (Experimental) Token: Thomas Narten The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Russ Housley.* o draft-ietf-mipshop-hmipv6-02.txt - 2 of 5 Hierarchical Mobile IPv6 mobility management (HMIPv6) (Experimental) Token: Thomas Narten The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Steve Bellovin and Russ Housley.* o draft-ietf-tewg-interarea-mpls-te-req-02.txt - 3 of 5 Requirements for Inter-area MPLS Traffic Engineering (Informational) Token: Bert Wijnen The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Allison Mankin.* o draft-ietf-avt-hc-mpls-reqs-03.txt - 4 of 5 Requirements for Header Compression over MPLS (Informational) Token: Allison Mankin The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alex Zinin.* o draft-ietf-smime-examples-15.txt - 5 of 5 Examples of S/MIME Messages (Informational) Token: Russ Housley The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action Announcement. 3.1.2 Returning Item o draft-pillay-esnault-ospf-flooding-07.txt - 1 of 2 OSPF Refresh and Flooding Reduction in Stable Topologies (Informational) Token: Bill Fenner The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action Announcement. o draft-ietf-mboned-mroutesec-03.txt - 2 of 2 PIM-SM Multicast Routing Security Issues and Enhancements (Informational) Token: David Kessens The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be prepared by David Kessens. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note. 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD 3.2.1 New Item o draft-earnshaw-tv-anytime-crid-02.txt - 1 of 2 The TV-Anytime Content Reference Identifier (CRID)Uniform Resource Locator (Informational) Token: Jon Peterson The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Steve Bellovin, Ted Hardie, and Russ Housley.* o draft-johnston-sip-osp-token-06.txt - 2 of 2 Session Initiation Protocol Private Extension for an OSP Authorization Token (Informational) Token: Allison Mankin The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Steve Bellovin, Bill Fenner, and Ted Hardie.* 3.2.2 Returning Item NONE 3.3 Individual Submissions Via RFC Editor 3.3.1 New Item o draft-shanmugham-mrcp-05.txt - 1 of 2 A Media Resource Control Protocol Developed by Cisco, Nuance, and Speechworks. (Informational) Token: Jon Peterson The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Steve Bellovin and Scott Hollenbeck.* o draft-behringer-mpls-security-09.txt - 2 of 2 Analysis of the Security of BGP/MPLS IP VPNs (Informational) Token: Alex Zinin The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document. The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC Editor that includes the standard IESG Note as well as an RFC Editor Note to be prepared by Alex Zinin. 3.3.2 Returning Item NONE 4. Working Group Actions 4.1 WG Creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review o Operational Security Capabilities for IP Network Infrastructure (opsec) - 1 of 2 Token: David Kessens The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review. The Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (09/27/2004). o Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance (behave) - 2 of 2 Token: Jon Peterson The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review. The Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (09/27/2004). 4.1.2 Proposed for Approval o Integrated Security Model for SNMP (isms) - 1 of 1 Token: Steve Bellovin The IESG approved the charter for the new working group. The Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement. 4.2 WG Rechartering 4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF Review o Ethernet Interfaces and Hub MIB (hubmib) - 1 of 1 Token: Bert Wijnen The IESG approved the updated charter for the working group. The Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 4.2.2 Proposed for Approval NONE 5. Working Group News We Can Use 6. IAB News We Can Use 7. Management Issues 7.1 Policy for draft cutoff (Ted Hardie, Thomas Narten, Bill Fenner) The management issue was discussed. Action item: Ted Hardie, Thomas Narten, and Bill Fenner will send the statement on "placeholder I-Ds" to the WG Chairs list for a quick review and then the IESG will send it out to the IETF community as an "IESG Statement." 7.2 Experimental Proposal for Black Team/White Team review (Ted Hardie, Jon Peterson) The management issue was discussed. The IESG decided that the text for the proposal for the Black Team/White Team experiment needed some revision before implementation. 7.3 Preparation timeline for the 9/27/2004 IESG Teleconference (Amy Vezza) The management issue was discussed. ---------------------------------------- * Please see the ID Tracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi) for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.