These minutes were taken by Michael Boe The purpose of the meeting as described in the agenda was discussed by the chair, Jeffrey Altman. The floor was then opened to comments and questions: . Comment: The WG Chair should not be the author of I-Ds in the WG. . Question: Why Telnet? Why not just use SSH? Answer: Telnet has a large installed base that needs to be secured. . Question: Wouldn't SSH servers be more secure? Answer/Debate: Policy of server is independent of underlying SSH/TELNET technologies. . Observation: It is easier psychologically to upgrade telnet than to toss it out. . Central Q of Debate: Is securing each existing telnet implementation more desireable than encouraging shift to more modern (ssh) systems? . Question: Would current Telnet developers implement new security standards if they were adopted? Answer: if not, it would probably result in the old insecure implementations being removed from the products. Observation from Security AD: In other words, if the IESG were to approve new standards the world becomes more secure whether or not they are implemented by vendors . Question: what's the load/packet ratio for SSH and TLS-Telnet? Answer: somewhere around 1/20 or 1/30 for each is the ballpark. A raise of hands indicated consensus for the creation of the Telnet Security (TELSEC) Working Group in the Security Area. 13 in favor; 2 opposed.