VRRP Minutes - 46th IETF, Washington, D.C., 11/9/99 Bob Hinden - Chair Minutes taken by Barbara Denny Agenda: - Introduction - Review Agenda - Status of VRRP to Draft Standard - Status of VRRP MIB to Proposed Standard - Summary of Changes to VRRP MIB draft - Brian Jewell (3Com) - Summary of Changes for VRRP Over ATM LAN Emulation - Miscellaneous Introduction - The working group chair opened the meeting and presented the agenda. Review Agenda - No modifications were made to the Agenda. Status of VRRP to Draft Standard Presenter: Bob Hinden (Nokia) VRRP now conforms to a new boilerplate. The IESG also had comments on the authentication method used in VRRP. Even though we were directed to use IPSec MD5 in the draft, no one has implemented it. This raises a process question since we cannot promote a document to Draft Standard with features we have not implemented. Choices are to take it out or put it in a separate specification. The customer environments for VRRP do not really require strong security so the current plan is to push on the area directors to see if we can take that 3rd method of authentication out. The working group chair has not heard back from the IESG yet. [NOTE: Subsequent to the VRRP meeting, the IESG discussed the issue and decided that VRRP will need to show interoperability of two VRRP implementations using AH before it can be promoted to Draft Standard.] Status of VRRP MIB to Proposed Standard There has been a lot of discussion with the Network Management Area Director. At the time of the meeting, no new input from the area director has been received but this needs to be checked. Summary of Changes to VRRP MIB Draft Presenter: Brian Jewell (3Com) A new draft has been produced since the previous Oslo draft. Most of the changes involve modifications to the descriptions. The traps were also changed: the OIDs and the objects were changed. The draft now also conforms to new MIB conventions. The current draft maintains an extensive log of the changes. No questions were asked regarding the MIB and no new changes are anticipated. Once we hear back from the NM AD, the plan is to issue working group last call on moving the document to Proposed Standard. Summary of Changes to VRRP Over ATM LAN Emulation Presenter: Atul Bansal (Laurel Networks, Inc. previously at FORE) A new draft was not submitted in time for this meeting but there are some changes. A new draft needs to be issued. This will probably be done in about a week. The plan is the issue a working group last call on this draft for Proposed Standard once the draft is released. The changes from the previous version of the draft include: - Added text for detecting Control VC failure o Carrier Loss, SSCOP Timeout and SSCOP retry mechanisms for detecting UNI failure o Use small timeout values (1 - 3 seconds) Time out value is implementation dependent This was added to deal with the non-proxy case. There was a problem when the LEC or master died. The binding was kept between the VMAC and ATM address. - Removed MPS (MultiProtocol Server) section This was because a lot of corner cases were not covered so the decision was to drop this section. Miscellaneous The VRRP specification got recognition from Steve Bellovin for its' discussion of security considerations in that provides guidelines for writing security considerations in internet protocol standards. This draft has a few comments for improving the vrrp specification so since the draft is open, the working group chair will try to address his concerns. The working group chair proposed that the working group plan to go into hibernation once the VRRP specification is at Draft Standard and the MIB and LANE documents are at Proposed Standard. The group will wake up when the MIB and LANE document are ready to be considered for Draft Standard. This was no objection to this.